participant-3488, 5:52 PM, May 5
In the world news today are Alberta separatists. They have collected 300k signatures in favour of referendum, which is twice as much as was ask for to be considered by court. I’m surprised that such a minority of the Canadian population can ask for secession.
This is the of the websites pertaining the movement: https://www.freealbertastrategy.com
participant-4603, 3:37 PM, May 6
This is a way underrated threat to Canada’s national unity. Albertans, as I understand it, are unhappy about so-called equalisation, or subsidising central Canada, and Quebec in particular. As petrol prices continue to pick up, I suspect that will continue to increase. Canada should do a better job at federalism.
participant-3927, 3:51 PM, May 6
I wrote a message to Mitch Sylvestre , on his website .
participant-1522, 4:34 PM, May 6
Why have a telegram and not just a discord. Discord seems far easier to use and seems to have far more features aswell
participant-3927, 5:30 PM, May 6
Interesting idea , I haven’t thought about that.
participant-3927, 5:36 PM, May 6
participant-3927, 5:38 PM, May 6
Which particular feature do you like there ?
participant-3927, 5:40 PM, May 6
Feel free to tell here about your project.
participant-1522, 5:51 PM, May 6
Seems like a better system to organize messages. You can have different channels and all that stuff instead of what seems like this is one continuous stream. And discords on the computer don’t need a cell phone. Etc etc.
Do you not use discord? It’s absolutely free to start a channel
participant-1522, 5:51 PM, May 6
I don’t know. I don’t use telegram I don’t know if there’s something here that I’m missing. I use discord for everything
participant-3927, 6:53 PM, May 6
I use telegram on a desktop app, as well as phone
participant-3927, 6:54 PM, May 6
Telegram can support a sub channel break down, but I don’t see the need yet.
participant-3927, 6:56 PM, May 6
Maybe you have a point that Anthemism should also have a discord channel (it should have both).
participant-3927, 7:52 PM, May 6
I did my military boot camp in Alberta. It was very hot in the summer.
participant-4603, 9:15 PM, May 6
Oh yeah?
participant-1522, 10:05 PM, May 6
@participant-3927 is like to know why you think you can set up a new country. And have free banking and unrestricted drugs laws. And not think the us government or even some other country isn’t going to show up at your door to shut you down.
I don’t see a rational argument for this.
Even if we take Israel’s example. Israel does not have free banking. They play by the Feds rules. Just like no income tax Saudi Arabia does aswell. Nevermind the fact that Israel and Jews have basically created themselves a protected class of people being “religious”. Which if they decided to do those things I’m not sure would save them from the accusations of being drug smugglers and money laundering
participant-3927, 10:18 PM, May 6
@participant-1522 we discussed free banking issue here, starting with my HBL post referenced
participant-3927, 10:22 PM, May 6
By the way, being religious or not has nothing to do with antisemitism: Israel is necessary answer to antisemitism, not to protect Judaism. Most Israelis are secular.
participant-1522, 11:04 PM, May 6
Here’s the video I’ve seen this from (https://youtu.be/q1lQolBSR40?si=ZkX_GHOhXMbJTPKY)
The clip start at 34:23 to 36:11. But the clip about what we’re talking about is at 35:37.
I don’t think you are right on this. Being a tax haven is not the same as being a truly free society where even drug dealers store their money. And never mind having a gold standard system outside the fed threatening the dollar
participant-3927, 12:24 AM, May 7
Yaron Brook says this, but he was very quick to visit Liberland when it was announced and now he went to meet with Free Cities Foundation. I think free banking is his excuse not to commit to the idea. But in his actions, he shows interest.
participant-3927, 1:00 AM, May 7
@participant-6456 What did Yaron tell you about free banking when he met you back then?
participant-3927, 1:02 AM, May 7
Also, saying something like this without having a written essay is just not enough. Everything else he says is backed by Objectivist writing, but this free banking problem as an absolute barrier is his idea which he didn’t develop fully. It’s more a question that deserves an answer, than a statement.
participant-1522, 1:08 AM, May 7
I think yaron goes around and talks to anyone who will give him a microphone. As he should. Why else would he hop on a channel (free cities foundation) with barely 5k subscribers. And he was on a podcast call the red chair or red room or something with barely a 1000 subs. I don’t even know how they got in touch which him to do this.
But he’s denounced liberland before aswell.
I’ll tell you what this would look like if this really happened. The media machine. CNN. NBC. Fox. Would be around the clock talking about the country. Highlighting it for money laundering and drug trade. And then how rich people are evading their fair share. Anything and everything to give justification for the military to step in and put an end to the ugliness. I mean there’s already talks about the military getting involved with the cartels in mexico which isn’t that far of a stretch from what they’ll be claiming. Nevermind the prehistory of US involvement in South America and other “non official” ways with other countries (mujahadeen). That not even considering all the NON us actors aswell like George soros and such with the money to pay people to do things.
Anyways what I’m saying is that he is very likely right.
participant-3927, 1:10 AM, May 7
It has to be done with US support, not against its interest. Then it will work. US or UK. And that’s exactly how Herzl and Weizmann approached it.
participant-1522, 1:25 AM, May 7
I see. Don’t you think there is a big difference here between the religious desire of Herzl why Britain and others sympathized versus the US today where you want to start a country to undermine their one power over the world the reserve currency?
participant-3927, 1:45 AM, May 7
We won’t undermine this power. Our economy will be too small to matter on the world scale for a long time.
participant-1522, 1:47 AM, May 7
It’s not about the immediate. Once the world has a place to run to the gates are open. And that is a threat.
participant-3927, 1:47 AM, May 7
Also, Herzl never used religion as an argument. His argument was economic and social.
participant-3927, 1:48 AM, May 7
But only with sovereignty we could possibly be ready to answer with own army. As long as you are part of a big country, and you own a large lot of land, you can never answer militarily.
participant-1522, 1:52 AM, May 7
This can’t be true. Wants to create a country for Jews and its “non religious”? Wanting to do it on the land all about that religion? Come on here. The whole thing was about religion. The financial backing of other Jews was just a side effect to prove they could pay for it
participant-3927, 1:53 AM, May 7
You have to read his diary to know
participant-3927, 1:53 AM, May 7
I did
participant-3927, 1:54 AM, May 7
Herzl was an agnostic , btw
participant-1522, 1:54 AM, May 7
Then why did he want a Jewish state? Why be connected to Zionism at all?
participant-3927, 1:55 AM, May 7
It was to reform a Jew , to give him a national identity, to have a place to run from antisemitism.
participant-3927, 1:57 AM, May 7
In fact, for religious reasons Jews were against him. They didn’t want to move to Palestine, they were told by rabbis that they have to wait of a Messiah.
participant-1522, 2:03 AM, May 7
Reform a Jew? You’re telling me a Jewish state was made to not be Jewish. And where the beginning didn’t even start with a gold backed currency for economics.
Can you see why I’m finding this ridiculous what I’m hearing?
participant-1522, 2:22 AM, May 7
that’s IF you even reach that level. Which it won’t.
Theres no way of fighting back. Even if you had a nuke. I’m sure that iron dome technology they’ve been using in Israel could be used to isolate your launch site and blow up your own bomb on your own soil mid air.
The only way you coexist with full freedom at the same time as these groups exist is literally go to the moon or run to mars. Where they can’t reach you.
If you own a big part of land at the very least you can give people a place to run to. And as a physical example convert people with that example instead of “oh that’s just in a book”. And start attacking things piece by piece until it eventually grows to effect more things. First property taxes, zoning, permits. And the state level stuff.
And it’s far easier to buy land in the US than every other place on earth that is antagonist to these ideas. Nevermind doesn’t hold the self driven individual spirit that Americans seem to be the only ones to have.
participant-3927, 2:28 AM, May 7
By “reform” I don’t mean to make him reject Judaism (although by then many Jews were secular, it was after the Jewish Enlightenment (Haskala).
participant-3927, 2:30 AM, May 7
A Jew was a second class citizen, limited only to banking trade, living in a ghetto. In Eastern Europe he was regularly killed in pogroms, with no criminal consequences to the perpetrator. The Jew was himself of low opinion of himself, and only a national movement, Herzl and Weizmann though, could fix his self esteem in his own eyes, as well as in the eyes of other Europeans .
participant-1522, 2:37 AM, May 7
You know now that I’m thinking about this why didn’t all these Jews just go to America. It was around. What was stopping them? From escaping this abusive Victimhood. Why did it have to be the “holy land” of Palestine to make them want to do something instead of sitting where they were
participant-3927, 2:42 AM, May 7
Golda Meir did come to America, and she grew up in Milwaukee from age six to 22.
participant-3927, 2:44 AM, May 7
Many Jews did go America, but not everyone could. In Eastern Europe the Rabbis told Jews to sit tight. Also, most Jews there were socialist and had no interest in America.
participant-3927, 2:46 AM, May 7
For Herzl, when he observed the Dreyfus affair, it convinced him that neither in France nor in America Jews would be safe from antisemitism. He was 35 years old back then. He invented secular Zionism
participant-3927, 2:46 AM, May 7
Political Zionism
participant-1522, 2:49 AM, May 7
I don’t remember any situation crucifying Jews in America. Or anything of the sort.
participant-3927, 2:50 AM, May 7
In America universities such as Harvard put a quota on how many Jews could attend. It was very low. As a result Jews founded their own university (Brandeis)
participant-3927, 2:52 AM, May 7
Why did Golda Meir leave America to go live in abject poverty in Palestine ? Dragging her husband and sister with her (the husband didn’t want to go). A few years later her parents followed. To build a Socialist National Home for Jews.
participant-3927, 2:53 AM, May 7
Having arrived in Palestine, she joined a communist kibbutz where she lived for a year
participant-3927, 2:56 AM, May 7
I agree with the second part
participant-3927, 2:56 AM, May 7
But you won’t escape income tax, which is the bigger issue than property tax.
participant-1522, 2:57 AM, May 7
Not if you don’t work.
participant-3927, 2:58 AM, May 7
In united states barter is taxable
participant-1522, 2:58 AM, May 7
How does that even work?
participant-3927, 2:59 AM, May 7
I personally prefer to own land in my own name, and pay property tax, than to be on leased land.
participant-3927, 3:00 AM, May 7
Any activity that is deemed as tax avoidance is going to be taxed by making up new tax law. Barter is taxable at market value gained.
participant-3927, 3:01 AM, May 7
By the way, your idea is the first idea I had 25 years ago, when I read Atlas Shrugged. I posted it on Reddit
participant-1522, 3:02 AM, May 7
I see. I didn’t know this. But regardless. I think unless you make massive amount of money nobody is going to care. Like building skyscrapers amount of money.
participant-1522, 3:02 AM, May 7
I agree. Where is this lease idea coming from?
participant-1522, 3:03 AM, May 7
Very inspiring to hear that in 25 years still nobody has done shit about fuck to make anything happen.
participant-3927, 3:03 AM, May 7
If there enough people involved, it will get noticed, and audited
participant-3927, 3:04 AM, May 7
You said you want to buy a large lot then sublease portions ? Or do you want to subdivide it and sell smaller lots?
participant-1522, 3:06 AM, May 7
I doubt it. Unless you’re buying multimillion dollar equipment like logging trucks and stuff nobody gonna care. Especially in a state with no income tax where they ain’t gonna get anything anyway.
participant-3927, 3:07 AM, May 7
It only takes one snitch
participant-3927, 3:07 AM, May 7
They hate the good for being the good. They will stop for this reason.
participant-1522, 3:08 AM, May 7
Large plot. The lease of 0$ is just for a period of time until the person proves they aren’t a piece of shit then they can buy the land for whatever the piece percentage is. Probably 2000.
Can’t be giving out land to people who the next week decide to be a problem. I ain’t got time for that shit
participant-3927, 3:09 AM, May 7
But you won’t get passed the zoning :’you can’t buy a large lot , then sell off pieces. That requires rezoning
participant-3927, 3:10 AM, May 7
That’s, by the way, why Galt’s Gulch Chile failed. They couldn’t get passed the zoning
participant-3927, 3:11 AM, May 7
Finally, how many people do you expect to move ? 50 ? 500? At 500 you will be noticed, written about and audited. Much less was involved in Gulch
participant-1522, 3:14 AM, May 7
Lot of these plots we’re looking at are in unincorporated areas. I’d find it hard to believe there’d be zoning that ridiculous. And if there is I’ll fight that. That’s simply ridiculous. Or don’t comply. I’ll build and bring me to jail. Or fine me and I won’t pay. not gonna stop me from building my house cause don’t have a mandatory 2000sqft of road footage
participant-1522, 3:16 AM, May 7
I don’t know. Seemingly nobody cause nobody is interested. It’s just me and my 3 friends who are looking at land.
Think you’d need atleast 50 people to incorporate a town. Or something around there. Who knows. There’s whole counties in Texas with 60 people and not a single town. Loving county for example
participant-3927, 3:19 AM, May 7
That land is cheap because it’s zoned agricultural land, or single family home. If it could be subdivided and sold , it would have already been done .
participant-3927, 3:20 AM, May 7
The rezoning application is hundreds of thousands of dollars.
participant-1522, 3:22 AM, May 7
I’ll have to look into it. A lot of the land is like almost an hour outside of Houston. Maybe people don’t want to drive that far when houses in Houston and other areas aren’t that expensive.
participant-3927, 3:26 AM, May 7
I have been trying to a get a septic approved on a small lot for 2 years. In Washington state.
participant-1522, 3:30 AM, May 7
Well that’s Washington. Unsurprising
participant-1522, 3:34 AM, May 7
Did Washington ban rain water collection recently?
participant-1522, 6:48 PM, May 8
Anddddd. Nothing happened. Where is it now?
participant-3927, 7:13 PM, May 8
His new project is Destiny.com , happening now.
participant-2294, 7:16 PM, May 8
I’ll never understand why they think “Sustainability Zone” is a good name
participant-1522, 7:18 PM, May 8
Same reason 10% goes to the government and 10% to “sovereign wealth fund”.
Appeasement
participant-2294, 8:06 PM, May 8
I don’t agree that it increases appeasement.
participant-2294, 8:06 PM, May 8
It’s a really bad name.
participant-3927, 8:35 PM, May 8
Th project is trying to suck up to the mainstream ideology of environmentalism, in order not to be dismissed by the public and the politicians. That’s why it’s appeasement.
participant-3927, 8:37 PM, May 8
I had another good meeting with the folks from the Thomas Paine Institute (TPI).
participant-2294, 8:51 PM, May 8
Nobody believes that destroying pristine natural areas to build luxury hotels or other real estate is environmentalism. Also neither white-collar nor blue-collar workers support radical chic environmentalism.
participant-2294, 8:54 PM, May 8
I think it’s more this obsession with defining yourself the first in doing something, probably influenced by
Zero to One.
participant-2294, 8:54 PM, May 8
Like “Praxis the First Digital Nation”
participant-2294, 8:55 PM, May 8
(they’re not the “first digital nation”, lol)
participant-2294, 8:57 PM, May 8
I had already pointed out in another group how unintentionally hilarious their promotional video was: local flora and fauna being destroyed to build concrete structures, all under the slogan “The First Sustainability Zone”
participant-2294, 9:07 PM, May 8
Boris, if you choose a Destiny-style path, I want to see you in the promotional video on a bulldozer, clearing the forest yourself.
participant-3927, 9:09 PM, May 8
Anyone who has built a house or made private property look nice, knows that a lot of brush and weeds must be cleared, which includes weed trees
participant-3927, 9:10 PM, May 8
If you don’t plant grass, weeds grow
participant-2294, 9:11 PM, May 8
Environmentalist intentional communities are not built like luxury hotels. They are usually simple domes, often with only the bare minimum in terms of comfort.
participant-2294, 9:16 PM, May 8
The main reason I use a bidet is to increase my environmental footprint. I waste toilet paper before I even sit down, then I use pH-balanced intimate wash for my ass, hot water, and extra laundry for the towel I dry myself with. Libertarians & friends should start building projects specifically designed to increase pollution.
participant-1522, 9:49 PM, May 8
What’d they say