participant-4603, 6:29 AM, May 18
The US state of Maine and the US state of Vermont still has lots of unincorporated land.
participant-4603, 7:06 AM, May 18
Fun fact the only unorganized territory of the United States that is Incorporated (in a constitutional not business sense) is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmyra_Atoll
I think there are a few private plots available on Palmyra but most of it is a nature reserve.
participant-3927, 8:01 AM, May 18
You are betting a lot of money on a gimmick, but regulators can always make new regulations
participant-3927, 5:47 PM, May 18
Here’s a workable idea: enlist a native reserve
participant-3927, 5:47 PM, May 18
Or Amish
participant-3927, 5:47 PM, May 18
They have special treatment
participant-3927, 5:48 PM, May 18
There is already one called Catawba
participant-3927, 5:50 PM, May 18
Maine is well placed geographically to secede
participant-3927, 6:34 PM, May 18
I mean that they are already in a separate jurisdiction.
participant-3927, 6:36 PM, May 18
You will never find good people as the native population in a place where a new country could be formed. Basically, they have to be transitioned and bought off.
participant-4603, 7:30 PM, May 18
New Hampshire used to be a pretty great live free or die state. I remember the lack of seat belt laws.
participant-4233, 7:31 PM, May 18
And now?
participant-4603, 7:32 PM, May 18
Oh, I don’t know I haven’t been there in years.
They used to not only have no state income tax but no state sales tax except for on restaurants and clothing and a few other things.
Lots of smoking everywhere.
Didn’t even need car insurance.
I’m not making this stuff up.
participant-3927, 7:33 PM, May 18
Wow
participant-3927, 7:34 PM, May 18
But Maine is better geographically. If it’s loosely populated with a bunch of second handers, it means they could follow a leader (they are a social ballast, as Ayn Rand said).
participant-3927, 7:35 PM, May 18
Can be postioned: everything wrong about libertarians in New Hampshire we gonna fixed up in a similar but different project in Maine
participant-3927, 9:43 PM, May 18
Read my article on obtaining sovereignty. I make the claim that nobody will give it to you because you are a nice guy. It has to be setup as a best geopolitical interest for all sides involved.
participant-3927, 10:26 PM, May 18
But you are asking neighbouring regions not to attack you. They will attack unless it’s not in their geopolitical interest
participant-3927, 11:07 PM, May 18
But Maine would be attacked ?
participant-3927, 11:36 PM, May 18
They don’t hold the right ideas: they want a theocracy.
participant-3927, 12:34 AM, May 19
Because they are against abortion.
participant-3927, 12:50 AM, May 19
A person who has faith doesn’t think. He is worse than a sheep. I will take OAC any time over Tucker.
participant-3927, 12:53 AM, May 19
By the way, a good place for Objectivist debate is the HBL forum. I have been a paying member for 15 years. There were a few threads on abortion.
participant-3927, 1:02 AM, May 19
If you want to do it on US soil, find a region of contention, involving several serious opposing parties , and use their opposition as a balance in which to create a new sub-state
participant-3927, 1:04 AM, May 19
Maybe a region where Republicans and Democrats are fighting for votes
participant-3927, 3:47 AM, May 19
Look at Irvine California. This town is owned by the corporation Irvine Company Inc.
participant-3927, 4:23 AM, May 19
Learn how it figured out the zoning restriction on selling lots. It must have bought a large tract of land.
participant-3927, 4:24 AM, May 19
And there’s also California Forever, but here’s what it did; it bought out individualized lots, to garner a large territory.
participant-4603, 9:21 AM, May 19
Texas, in my view, is way overrated. They have very high property taxes to offset the no state income tax situation. Many Texans are all hat and no cattle, if you get my drift. It’ll be like NYS within a generation. They’ll go back to being a blue state, mark my words.
participant-4603, 9:24 AM, May 19
What I like about Houston is the lack of zoning. That’s pretty cool. I also like how Galveston moved away from Social Security. People outside Texas seem to have a romantic notion and view of Texas. It’s a Texas that either never really existed or has faded into history. Let’s not forget that Texans got whooped by people from your state of Maine, New York, Pennsylvania, etc. They’re a tough-talking lot, but how many Super Bowls have they won lately? And where was oil first discovered?
participant-4603, 9:25 AM, May 19
Such an awesome example.
participant-4603, 9:32 AM, May 19
Now, I love teasing Texans and pro-Texan non-Texans - it’s a lot of fun. At least they are not against free-market capitalism. In my view, Wyoming is a lot more pro-business, but it’s landlocked. Now, if Texas were a lot more like Wyoming, then I’d likely have to eat my non-existent hat. But it’s not fair to juxtapose a big state with tens of millions of people with one that has less than a million people. Anyway, at least Texans know their barbecue, and I’ll concede that it isn’t real barbecue if it’s not Texan; however, I would give the gold medal to another tradition for brisket.
participant-3927, 1:37 PM, May 19
They don’t support capitalism. They put fines to drivers who drive women to abortion clinics.
They are against free trade and accessible immigration. Under free market it’s my call whom to hire.
Texans are just as statist as Californians. Ayn Rand wrote that nationalism and communism/socialism are two sides of the same coin.
participant-4603, 2:08 PM, May 19
Texas, as you know, has many different climate zones. Sure, it’s hot, hotter, and I didn’t know it got so hot on planet Earth. I get all of that. Then again, I spend part of my year in the Yucatán, and Texans out there go back to Texas to cool off.
participant-4603, 2:11 PM, May 19
It’s possible the price of acreage has changed, though it used to be that parts of Wyoming and West Texas were about the same. My suspicion is that West Texas is likely less than Wyoming now. As for which state is more at risk of ending up with a state income tax, there’s no question: Texas, because of its big, increasing population.
Out of curiosity, why are you still in Maine if you’re so pro-Texas?
participant-4603, 2:12 PM, May 19
Thank you. I was real concerned that might be the case. That’s right, I forgot they are very into judicial activism.
participant-4603, 2:15 PM, May 19
New Hampshire is notorious for its exorbitant, confiscatory property taxes. My understanding is that some of these Houston neighbourhoods really soak the folks. I suppose it all comes down to where the highest millage rates are, right?
The other thing that I don’t like about Texas is that they seem to really love the whole prison industrial complex, so that alone just counts me out. I’m not into being a bootlicker and having to say, “Yes, sir,” at the beginning and end of each of my sentences. It’s just not my cup of tea, but hey, I wish the Lone Star State all the best. May they triumph in all their glory. I don’t mean that with any sarcasm whatsoever.
participant-4603, 2:46 PM, May 19
That’s awesome. Major kudos to you. Happy trails to you and your buddies.
About a quarter of a century ago or so, I bought some acreage with a buddy of mine. I kid you not, in a place called Jeff Davis County. I mean, I don’t even know if it was even a few hundred an acre. Good times.
And I think it’s called Loving County. Maybe it’s changed, but I think they had a population of under 100, with a curiously named county seat.
But anyway, I’ve heard of many people heading out that way and thriving. It’s definitely the kind of place where it’s possible to reinvent yourself and to plant some serious roots.
participant-3927, 2:47 PM, May 19
Isn’t Delaware the most capitalist state ?
participant-4603, 2:52 PM, May 19
Sorta…it’s where many of the Fortune 500 and many startups get formed….
participant-3927, 3:08 PM, May 19
I assume the ideology inside the state is more free market then
participant-4603, 3:17 PM, May 19
well, it’s the Court of the Chancery in Delaware, they are very much a for business by business type court. The laws in the Delaware tend to be very well written from a pro-business POV.
participant-4603, 3:18 PM, May 19
I mean, a lot of it in more modern times AFAIK stems from the influence of the Dupont family and their interests in the chemical industry in Delaware.
participant-4233, 3:19 PM, May 19
There is no “free” market, these courts are run by the state. They’re quite literally state courts. They’re just business friendly
