participant-3927, 3:27 AM, September 8
participant-3927, 3:27 AM, September 8
This is Shanghai. Subway bags are scanned, as if I was in Israel.
participant-3927, 3:28 AM, September 8
There are a lot of these police portable stations, that are attractive and are probably air conditioned.
participant-3927, 3:29 AM, September 8
This can be a solution to handling a large inflow of Muslim immigrants into a new country.
participant-1522, 3:35 AM, September 8
Why do you think Muslim immigrants are a problem
participant-3927, 5:20 AM, September 8
I published an article on this on the website
participant-1522, 5:48 AM, September 8
I see. Very insightful.
I’m curious what does land ownership look like at the beginning of the countries starting? Who is going to own the first land? Effectively the land owners are the ones who decide who gets let into the country and who does not if they have no place to stay.
participant-3927, 6:52 AM, September 8
Because it’s private land ? Land is going to be owned by the principle Ayn Rand illustrated — by those who show action on that land — homesteading. Some land will be owned by initial investor, but that too implies that the investors will build on it.
participant-1522, 7:00 AM, September 8
I guess it all depends on how it begins. Does an existing country give you land. Which then comes with already current owners. Or you buy it. Then I would be you. Or the group who gets the money together.
And I’m just curious if you’ve put any thought into a vetting process at all to who is sold land.
Because if you just sell people land Willynilly you do run into the problem of letting the wrong people in and they become the majority. So I would think there would be some process to control this until the dominant philosophy is so populated no amount of mass migration would just take it over.
participant-3927, 9:15 AM, September 8
Yes, I mention this in another related article
participant-1522, 9:47 AM, September 8
So at the beginning. How do you determine who the “friendlies” are settling in the state? And how much is the population to be to be “established”?
Also. What is this “N generation removed” idea from initial immigrants? I’m not exactly understanding the explanation or the wording of this one
participant-3927, 10:56 AM, September 8
I don’t want a joke country with small population. Until it’s a country, it’s a chartered territory , private territory — and filtering who comes and who doesn’t is permitted. But there are just not enough people with the right ideas who would be willing to come — most people available to immigration will have to be educated on arrival.
participant-3927, 10:58 AM, September 8
N=1 means that the immigrant can vote. N=2 means only his child can. N=3 grand child.
participant-3927, 10:58 AM, September 8
Or we could count from 0, not sure what makes more sense.
participant-3927, 11:01 AM, September 8
I think 2 million people is enough to try for being a proper country (autonomy)
participant-1522, 11:02 AM, September 8
Then what exactly is not a joke country. And how do you decide who to let in? And why would that process of deciding not be a permanent thing? Only let in people that are objectivist in the first place.
And what is this n=1 mean? Does n=1 mean they can vote? But a n=3 generation can’t?
participant-3927, 11:02 AM, September 8
The reason is that Gaza has 2 million people, and apparently it is too much to disperse them.
participant-3927, 11:03 AM, September 8
It means if say we count from 0, then N=1 generation removed is immigrant’s child. The child (when he grows up) and all his descendants can vote.
participant-3927, 11:04 AM, September 8
However, a friend told me something I didn’t consider: the Muslim immigrants want to reform, but it’s their children that are radicalized. The children are worse than the parents.
participant-3927, 11:08 AM, September 8
A capitalist country must have open borders. A government cannot dictate morality.
participant-3927, 11:12 AM, September 8
Getting on a plane, will answer later
participant-1522, 11:17 AM, September 8
Why can all his descendants vote?
This makes me think about the citizenship thing. Is it right to be born in a place to get citizenship? Should everyone have to take a test to be a citizen? At 18? And as many times as you want til you prove the understanding of the what’s in the test. But then you have to worry about who controls the test.
participant-3927, 11:19 AM, September 8
Perhaps, I don’t know. No test will help if altruism will be a dominant philosophy, and no test in needed if egoism will be in the air. The American spirit — that’s what I mean.
participant-1522, 11:19 AM, September 8
So for example. If whatever land this territory is made of. What if the people who own the land require who they sell to take a test? And prove themselves? Or something like this. Surely this would side step the government doing it versus private individuals
participant-3927, 11:20 AM, September 8
Yeah, that’s fine . I think there will be a lot of private initiatives to educate the public. Because people who do get it, realize what’s at stake .
participant-3927, 11:21 AM, September 8
No one wants the promised land to go socialist in 50 years, so they will spend some money to help prevent it.
participant-1522, 11:25 AM, September 8
When I think about immigrants all I think about is that it really doesn’t matter as long as the dominant philosophy or “group” is the largest one there. So in my mind it make sense to me to be a % based allotment. I think like 20% would be a safe number or something. Maybe 35%.
But the good thing is that as the dominant group grows from 1200 to 200,000 the % of immigrants grows aswell. So from 100 in and non threatening to 20000 non threatening
