participant-1662, 11:09 PM, November 4
I prefer Pinochet to Stalin
participant-3927, 11:10 PM, November 4
Stalin wasn’t on the left
participant-1662, 11:10 PM, November 4
In fact, I prefer Stalin to Nestor Makhno
participant-3927, 11:11 PM, November 4
There is no difference between left and right
participant-3927, 11:14 PM, November 4
The USSR was as much left as it was right
participant-1662, 11:14 PM, November 4
I’d still rather take my chances and always vote for the right
participant-3927, 11:14 PM, November 4
By modern standards
participant-1662, 11:15 PM, November 4
Yeah they were “social conservatives” and socialists
participant-3927, 11:16 PM, November 4
You should vote for what would bring capitalism closer to
participant-1662, 11:16 PM, November 4
Which is the right
participant-3927, 11:16 PM, November 4
Not always
participant-3927, 11:19 PM, November 4
Let’s hope republicans win next election
participant-3927, 11:20 PM, November 4
But without the freaks
participant-1662, 11:20 PM, November 4
Massie can’t win, so I’m hoping for a DeSantis–Rubio ticket
participant-3927, 11:21 PM, November 4
No, there needs to be better people
participant-1662, 11:21 PM, November 4
I’d prefer Jeremy Kauffman with no term limits, but we’ll have to settle for DeSantis
participant-3927, 11:29 PM, November 4
DeSantis is anti abortion, I hope he won’t win. Rubio gave a dismal speech in Europe pandering to xenophobia . Don’t know about Kauffman.
participant-1662, 11:33 PM, November 4
I was joking about Kauffman
participant-1662, 11:33 PM, November 4
He’s the LBRY guy
participant-1522, 11:39 PM, November 4
I mean they have to identify something as good of it to say anything at all. It’s not like Ayn Rand gives them medals or anything cause nobody cares. So I wouldn’t say it’s fake there is “something” there
participant-3488, 2:05 AM, November 5
Tomorrow, I (Boris Reitman) will be appearing on the Michael Liebowitz Show. Michael is the co-founder of the American Capitalist Party, together with Mark Pellegrino (the actor who played Jacob in Lost and currently plays the Devil in Supernatural). Michael hosts The Michael Liebowitz Show. Michael is well read and erudite, something I saw first hand at the party’s convention this fall. I am honored that he agreed to have me on his show.
We’ll be discussing Anthemism, of which he was skeptical during our brief interaction at the convention, but when I told him about the Cyprus affair, I peaked his interest and he agreed to have me on. Note that I’ve already appeared on three podcasts of others’ (two of which are published on the Anthemism website), but this will be my first conversation with a person who knows Objectivist. Most Objectivists don’t support Anthemism because they consider it premature. Therefore, tomorrow I’ll have to make a strong case for my position and I won’t be able to be have the superor argument only because I have Ayn Rand’s philosophy — he has that same philosophy in his arsenal as well.
But perhaps the most remarkable thing about Michael is that he spent 25 years in prison! The story involves jealousy, you can google it. There was a stabbing, but nobody died. While in prison, he immersed himself in books. By his own account, he read more than 650 books, spending four to five hours a day reading. What’s also interesting is that Michael isn’t shy about talking about his time in prison. Quite the opposite: he incorporates that experience into his message. Anyone can climb out of a hole, and it’s never too late to start thinking and acting rationally. Also, Michael published a book in 2017 titled “Down the Rabbit Hole: How the Culture of Corrections Encourages Crime in 2017.”
His co-author, Brent McCall, was also an inmate serving time in the same prison. Michael met him in 2001, and by 2003 he was lending Brent Ayn Rand’s works. Much like Edmond Dantès and his neighbor behind the prison wall, Brent and Michael became intellectual partners, working together to understand Rand’s ideas and eventually co-authoring their book.
participant-3927, 3:07 AM, November 5
I recommend following Garry Kasparov’s substack, which he called “Karsparov’s Next Move”. He writes in English.
participant-3927, 3:08 AM, November 5
Here’s what he writes: “To the Republicans—not to Donald Trump or the other representatives of his flailing, populist project, but to the ordinary GOP voter or the local official who may be disappointed with last night’s results—here is my message for you: Democracy in this country does not belong to one faction. America needs more than one (probably more than two!) healthy political party. Like termites upon soft wood, MAGA has chewed through the GOP. It’s time to build something completely new. The Trump brand is toxic. What comes next must be completely removed from this administration. No, not even Marco Rubio, whom many see as a bridge back to a “normal” Republican politics. Those who haven’t completely disowned their involvement in the Trump family enterprise are complicit, not only in its crimes, but in the destruction of a storied institution of American democracy—the Republican Party.”
participant-3927, 3:09 AM, November 5
If you don’t know, Kasparov was the one of the longest running chess champions.
participant-1522, 3:17 AM, November 5
What’s the article on Viveks Ramswamy’s racism on hbl? I searched and didn’t find anything
participant-3927, 3:18 AM, November 5
His name is spelled: “Ramaswamy”
participant-3927, 3:18 AM, November 5
search for that
participant-1522, 3:19 AM, November 5
Only thing I see is a connection to ominous parallels but nothing about racism in it
participant-3927, 3:20 AM, November 5
HBL:
Adam Reed: “I do not have time to post his views on every issue, but regarding the Russian invasion of Ukraine (in the part of the world where I grew up, and whence I still get the news in the local languages) VR has been 100% in line with lies coming from Putin’s troll farm, and from Putin’s supporters in the Lew Rockwell (“Anarcho-Capitalist”) wing of the Libertarian Party.” — #103878, HBL, August 20, 2023
Harry Binswanger, about Vivek: “Thank you. This absolutely disqualifies him from any support as a candidate (or as a human being, for that matter).” — #147020, HBL 8/21/23.
participant-1522, 3:42 AM, November 5
Am I missing something here? Cause I read all these articles and I don’t see any racism at all
participant-3927, 3:42 AM, November 5
Sorry, I misremembered. He supported Putin.
participant-3927, 3:43 AM, November 5
But it’s racism, in fact. Putin called all Ukrainians - nazis.
participant-3927, 3:44 AM, November 5
Recenttly, however, Ramaswamy wrote something more reasonable, which perhaps redeems him as supporting Putin only to pander to Trump, but not really meaning any of it.
participant-3927, 3:45 AM, November 5
If I recall correctly, Ramaswamy defended immigrants.
participant-1522, 3:46 AM, November 5
From what I read here these seem to be very sane ideas. Comdmening zolensky for the martial law consolidation of media and such. And trying to use the situation to separate Russia from China. All seems perfectly sane to me.
And from what I recall he’s probably the most sane candidate ive seen in the debates in a while. Better than even Ron Paul
participant-1522, 3:48 AM, November 5
Is the Mike show going to be live
participant-3927, 3:50 AM, November 5
I don’t know. If would guess no.
participant-3927, 3:52 AM, November 5
no, martial law is reasonable in Ukraine
participant-3927, 3:52 AM, November 5
Particularly in 2023
participant-3927, 3:54 AM, November 5
Anyway, I also think young people should not be presidents. Anyone under 70 shouldn’t be
participant-3927, 3:55 AM, November 5
Unless he is Jobs, Musk, Bezos — a man with unusual accomplishments
participant-1522, 10:41 PM, November 5
Did the show happen today?
participant-3927, 10:54 PM, November 5
Yes, we recorded
participant-1522, 11:16 PM, November 5
Did he say when he’s going to post it?
participant-3927, 11:27 PM, November 5
He said Sunday
participant-1522, 11:45 PM, November 5
I think you have a recruitment problem. Or an advertising problem. And if you want to attract people then people have to be aware it even exists. And I do have some ideas on how I would act to do something about that.
Beyond the real world conferences and such there is websites and areas objectivists exist that would get attention. Discord. Reddit. Facebook.
If it were me I’d make a weekly post on these sites. Probably on a friday or Saturday when it seems to get the most traffic and the most people would see it.
participant-1522, 11:45 PM, November 5
Also that meeting of the minds thing I listened to. There was a British guy talking in there is that the David avatar guy you were talking about?
participant-3927, 11:47 PM, November 5
Yes
participant-3927, 11:51 PM, November 5
Feel free to post, and help that way.
participant-1522, 11:53 PM, November 5
What has this David avatar man been up to lately? He didn’t sound as much of an asshole as I expected him to be.
participant-1522, 12:15 AM, November 6
Also I don’t think this can work. I think it has to be you. For example. Say a Facebook post. It’s going to be on my account with my profile picture. Not body wants to listen to me cause of the way I look.
Now discord and Reddit are a little different. Cause my profile picture isn’t there. But I’m sure if they are interested they are going to want to talk and then it’s the same thing again where my voice sounds just as young as my picture. Same problem.
And even if they wanted to talk and then I just handed them off to you to speak to. You wouldn’t know who this person is or anything about them from me talking to them. It just wouldn’t make any sense.
The easiest most non burdensome way to do it would be to make a prewritten piece you just copy and paste in. And then set reminder on your phone of when to post it so it takes no mental thought or burden. Atleast that’s what I would do.
A lot of these places. Especially the discords and such I’ve seen quite a bit of people on. I’m sure would offer to help a bit more if you asked the administrators. Especially since you have a legit “anthemism.com” website.
participant-3927, 12:23 AM, November 6
Joseph Avatar
participant-3927, 12:24 AM, November 6
Let’s makes Facebook page for ALF with logo
participant-1522, 12:25 AM, November 6
I don’t know if I would even bother if you already have the website
participant-1522, 12:26 AM, November 6
Do you pay to keep the website up?
participant-3927, 4:25 PM, November 6
You can post on facebook on behalf of the Facebook page. It woul be ALF’s. logo that’s visible, and no personal photos.
participant-3927, 5:29 PM, November 6
Here’s something from Uganda. This man contacted me, he runs some organization called “John Galt Uganda”. I found it curious to see the facebook cover image, which display a book case. THere are 50 copies there of “Economics in One Lesson” by Hazlit. (And, there’s Atlas Shrugged there, of course.)
participant-1522, 5:47 PM, November 6
Probably part of those John galt schools the atlas society runs. Think I heard about him
participant-1522, 5:52 PM, November 6
Heard anything from that joesph avatar guy what’s he been doing?
participant-3927, 6:02 PM, November 6
Feel free to check out his Facebook closed group, Society of Reason. But, don’t target his people, please.
participant-1522, 6:05 PM, November 6
Nah don’t think I’d do that. But why not work together? Seems the interests are the exact same
participant-1522, 6:06 PM, November 6
Are you paying for the anthemism website? To keep it up?
participant-3927, 6:07 PM, November 6
No, it’s free. Netlify
participant-3927, 6:07 PM, November 6
Joseph is not interested. I emailed him once or twice, received no response.
participant-1522, 6:10 PM, November 6
Makes no sense is his really any different?
participant-3927, 6:16 PM, November 6
It’s hard to know, but he said back than that he was reading many books, trying to understand how to start and run a country. I’m doing much less reading, because I think it’s not as important. We will find subject matter experts when push comes to shove.
participant-3927, 6:59 PM, November 6
But the big turn off for me is his idea of a cruise ship as a country. That was something he was working on.
participant-1522, 7:01 PM, November 6
I think I remember that being said of having medicinal research on it. I wonder if that would be left alone versus free banking.
I know banking wouldn’t but maybe medicine would be given a pass. But I doubt it.
participant-1522, 8:46 PM, November 6
@participant-3927 I’m gonna write something up for the Facebook post. But I think you should make a discord account. There are 5 discords I know of that have quite active people on them
Objectivism
Objectivist Lyceum
Eudaimonic producers
Yaron brook show
OSI
and I don’t know if you have a Reddit but there’s 2 groups on there that have people in them.
/aynrand
/objectivism
Also. Something I think would be very interesting would be sending an email to orgs who run the in person conferences for objectivism (ARI, AS, OSI). And ask if you can set up a table in the lobby or something with a sign “we are making a town/country help me do it”. I’d be willing to pay for the expenses to make that happen. But that’s a more ambitious thing but I think it would be well worth whatever money and time it is
participant-1522, 9:00 PM, November 6
@participant-3927 also. Could you send Micheal lebowitz a question since I know you have contact with him now. He’s been avoiding my question on Facebook but I’m sure he’d give an answer to you.
I remember at the conference it was said he went to the free state project porcfest convention. Could you ask him if he met any objectivists while he was there? I live right next door so if there is I’ll go to some of those meetings and find them if they exist before I move to Texas
participant-3927, 9:05 PM, November 6
Please don’t post to Open Objectivists groups or pro Trump groups.
I’ll think how to do it best for Reddit and Discord. Feel free to paste Reddit and Discord channel links here.
participant-1522, 9:07 PM, November 6
Ill write something up and you can check it first I wouldn’t post it without you looking at it first
participant-3927, 9:08 PM, November 6
Just post it and put links here for all of us to watch.
participant-28, 1:55 PM, November 7
borisreitman: bridge is running on the server now
participant-3927, 1:55 PM, November 7
I’m using matterbridge if anyone cares
participant-3927, 3:37 PM, November 7
Posted this on HBL (by the way, I don’t think America can be turned around in short time):
David … is right that ARI depends on the nonprofit 501(c)(3) status. Only someone independent from ARI can go into politics, however most Objectivists who had any influence on the public are part of ARI, and are bound by the non-political IRS constraint.
However, there is the American Capitalist Party, the first convention of which I have attended in September. ARI cannot openly support it, but I encourage all Objectivists who still hope to turn U.S. around in reasonable time (and that’s most HBL members) to support the party. The party’s cofounders Mark Pellegrino and Mark Liebowitz understand abstract concepts of Objectivism while at the same time presenting themselves very down to Earth and relatable to regular folk.
America has been having presidents that appear to level to regular people. That’s Bush and Trump, and Obama to an extent. It’s also Reagan. I heard that people want a kind of guy they could invite for dinner. If this is any indication of political success, this party has a chance.
Mark Pellegrino already is a Hollywood actor, having played one of the most loved and enigmatic roles in “Lost” TV Series. I watched that one, so I speak first hand. He is now starring in Supernatural, a show running for 15 seasons!
About the second cofounder, if you haven’t heard the personal story of Michael Liebowitz, it’s inspiring. Here’s what I wrote about him in my announcement about his podcast (where I was a guest)
participant-3927, 1:39 PM, November 8
Privately @participant-1522 asked me what people could do for work in the Cyprus Buffer Zone, If i get a charter. The buffer zone is called Greenline, which is by coincidence a place that is a different climate than the south Cyprus — it has more vegetation and forest, and there are farms still operating in it. Farmers go there with permission of the UN. So, the region can be, at least initially, a bread basket for Cyprus. Also, the abandoned buildings and appartments, as few and bad as they are, together with the sewage piping in the ground, help not to start from scratch, but quickly renovate and create offices and housing for startups. As you know, Cyprus already is a desirable place for banking, but the Buffer Zone will be even more so, since it will be freer. So, I expect initially fintech startups to appear there.
participant-3927, 1:43 PM, November 8
Finally, my generic idea, for any region, was to get large companies like Google and Apple to create remote jobs for people settling the region. So that a whole team can be located there. This will jump start the economy, with the IT devs needing to pay for services that they would need (food, housing, power). We have already seen what outsourcing can do to a 3rd world country like India — it has lifetd regions out of poverty. The zone will attract young hackers like we see are attracted by Balaji’s project (his Network School, which now has moved to Kazahstan).
participant-3927, 1:50 PM, November 8
@participant-1522 also asks what would happen if the Cyprus Buffer Zone will be unified soon — a new president of Northern Cyprus was elected on Oct 16 who is dancing from Turkey’s interests, and who wants to normalize. That would mean that the Buffer Zone, first time in 50 years would disappear and Cyprus would be unified. Well, if this happens, Anthemism would have to focus on another region. Still, I think the video footage is valuable, since it illustrates the method.
participant-1522, 1:57 PM, November 8
Now that I think about it what are the odds that this charter if granted would be except from EU law seeing as the UN is the once overseeing it? Not likely in my eyes. And isn’t Cyprus in the EU?
participant-3927, 2:02 PM, November 8
Cyprus is in the EU, but that doesn’t include the Northern Cyprus. The new president of the Northern Cypru is campaigning to join the EU.
participant-3927, 2:03 PM, November 8
How likely is it? I spoke with someone who had business in Cyprus, and he told me that Turkey won’t let it. I myself have no clue.
participant-3927, 2:04 PM, November 8
But a 3rd country in the buffer zone, can work well even with the Northern Cyprus joining the EU. It’s a variant on normalizing things.
participant-3927, 2:04 PM, November 8
Which means that we have to act now, while it’s hot.
participant-3927, 2:07 PM, November 8
participant-3927, 2:08 PM, November 8
Note that the Buffer Zone has two exclaves, and there’s a city separate from it called Famagusta — it’s also blocked off (abandoned).
participant-3927, 2:09 PM, November 8
The footage that we shot was at Nicosia, flat ground 21km in area. And that’s even not the most widest part of the zone.
participant-1522, 6:21 PM, November 8
I’d say that was very good
participant-3927, 6:30 PM, November 8
Thank you. I hope the audio version for the podcasts (Apple and Spotify ) will be better.
participant-3927, 8:38 PM, November 8
I spoke with Linda Cordair, who is the agent of Nick Gaetano. (Nick Gaetano is the artist who did Ayn Rand book covers). Looks like I have to change the ALF logo, it’s too close to copyright infringement. Back to square one.
participant-1522, 8:38 PM, November 8
Interesting. Could you offer to purchase rights use?
